Discussion on Aadhaar

0:000 secondsI think there is a clear directive which 0:066 secondsis based on the Supreme Court decision 0:1313 secondsor to the to Bend decision to say that more you know because of reasons security and safety the mobile numbers 0:2121 secondsfor example should be tied up with the Adha a better kyc should be done but let me let me explain that the genesis of 0:2929 secondsthat so that the viewers understand what's going on over the course of many many years and let's take 2010 and I 0:3838 secondsknow mr. Sanjay is here you know when the ad heart project got kicked off that point in time the ad hoc team estimated 0:4747 secondsthat about forty to forty two crore people in India didn't have any form of 0:5353 secondsidentity and the remaining 7075 troll people in India had more than one form 1:001 minuteof identity so 42 kuru people had no form of identity and seventy plus Kuro people have not one but multiple forms 1:081 minute, 8 secondsof identity and I'll give you an example I understand all of those things but my question was very specifically is it 1:161 minute, 16 secondsmandatory to link I have I have answered that but you have to listen to me no you have to understand what is going 1:251 minute, 25 secondson now if you don't interrupt for two minutes you will get a better answer and then you I can yield space for everybody else to comment alright fair enough 1:341 minute, 34 secondsI am I trying to explain I gave you the Supreme Court directive also from February and now I am giving you a technical basis for it so bear with me 1:421 minute, 42 secondsnow what happens is in India so there is a category which had 42 corrode people without any identity and there was a category people who had multiple forms 1:501 minute, 50 secondsof identity needless to say a lot of our bank accounts a lot of our telecom connections were operating on proxies on 1:591 minute, 59 secondsfakes or duplicates people did not even know who else is using their pen cards or any form of kyc know your customer 2:072 minutes, 7 secondsnorms so now thankfully we have a technology built over the last seven or eight years 2:132 minutes, 13 secondswhere we have a conclusive form of people's identity 118 corrode people in 2:202 minutes, 20 secondsIndia today have a digital identity which is the biggest identity system in the world now what this does is that no 2:292 minutes, 29 secondslonger you can fake your kyc documents you can ask somebody else on your behalf to apply for your sim connection or 2:372 minutes, 37 secondsmaintain bank accounts which are been army in nature so there was a big telecom operator last year which 2:442 minutes, 44 secondsactually enrolled about 110 million about 11 corrode people into the mobile system using this KYC technology that we 2:522 minutes, 52 secondshave today and the directive has been that you link your mobile numbers to this and this has been a director for 3:003 minutessome time and and you know basically get rid of all the fake documentation or 3:083 minutes, 8 secondspeople operating on somebody else's behalf so this is the secure way of making sure that the right kyc papers 3:153 minutes, 15 secondsare kyc documents are linked to your your your SIM cards or maybe your bank accounts all right last point I do want to make 3:233 minutes, 23 secondsis that there is this is this process will go on but does not exclude anybody who still has a paper you know who still 3:333 minutes, 33 secondswants to submit paper and gets get his or his or her connection or a bank account it does not exclude that and yes 3:403 minutes, 40 secondsthere is a Supreme Court a larger bench which may examine that and that's the reason this deadline is I think till 3:483 minutes, 48 secondsFebruary 6 2000 2018 so here is I've laid laid the basic framework of what 3:553 minutes, 55 secondswhy their telecom companies or the bank accounts are doing it and what is really a that is happening so so my question is 4:024 minutes, 2 secondsmr. Arvind Gupta for my viewers who are watching right now is it mandatory for us to link Aadhaar to our phone numbers 4:114 minutes, 11 secondsand our bank accounts the answer the easy answer to that lies 4:204 minutes, 20 secondsis given the last judgment and until a new judgment comes in my opinion and I'm not a legal expert in my said that you 4:304 minutes, 30 secondsneed to do that and then unless there's a it's a very simple answer I'm giving that in my my assessment the current the 4:394 minutes, 39 secondscurrent directive of the Supreme Court took two bad bench code holds and which 4:464 minutes, 46 secondsis saying that you have to link them and that's that is what the the process the telecom companies are following now I also yield that their messaging may be 4:554 minutes, 55 secondsincorrect because you know they're kind of making it like a havoc so their messaging could be incorrect but I think the directive is the link all bank 5:045 minutes, 4 secondsaccounts and the SIM cards with no question there in that case if you're telling me that it is mandatory right now to link my bank account after if I 5:135 minutes, 13 secondsdon't do my bank account will be blocked what happens to NR ice who are not residents and by that argument are not even qualified to hold another number 5:215 minutes, 21 secondsare you going to shut all of their bank accounts and how are they supposed to function if you shut their bank accounts are because they can't even the option 5:295 minutes, 29 secondsof flying down in time to get an other number is not even an option they're not entitled to another number because they are not residents of this country so I 5:365 minutes, 36 secondsit doesn't but but you're telling me according to you it is mandatory we have to link bank account and other I want to 5:465 minutes, 46 secondstake this to power the girl who joins us right now senior advocate with the Supreme Court mr. Duggal do you agree no no no you did not you I sorry I have to 5:545 minutes, 54 secondsinterrupt there I know I have to interrupt there because you did you presupposed a lot of things and that is your lack of understanding of how the 6:016 minutes, 1 secondother system works by the way I have to give you two responses to that before you go to mr. Duggal and I will not speak after that but don't make peace of 6:096 minutes, 9 secondspositions on what I have said number one is that I have said that as of right now the directive exists to link all the 6:176 minutes, 17 secondsaccounts to the odd odd number now whether they will get dysfunctional law ACTA from is something that I have not said let me be very clear on that 6:266 minutes, 26 secondsto hold on it is also a wrong assumption on your part to assume that in our eyes or 6:336 minutes, 33 secondspeople who are not visiting India cannot get their Aadhaar numbers by the way they can anybody who visits India you know in a matter of two days can get an 6:406 minutes, 40 secondsodd odd number and and you know whether they link it their NRI accounts or not is something that the banking system has 6:486 minutes, 48 secondsto decide not us but they can get there as hard numbers